Good Grief: Hoops World Responds

Hoops World writer Steve Kyler responded this afternoon to my report this morning, in which Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace commented on Kyler’s note this morning about the team, and also, it seems, to a lot of e-mails from Grizzlies fans.

I think there’s a lot of good material in Kyler’s latest piece, including rational things about the future of the franchise that a lot of fans don't want to hear, but I have to take issue with a few things.

In making several direct references to my earlier blog post without ever specifying the work he’s referring to, Mr. Kyler shows the same stellar attribution skills as in his initial report, where he claimed the Grizzlies were discussing a trade with Orlando for Fran Vasquez while providing no sourcing whatsoever for the report.

Maybe standard Internet reporting etiquette hasn’t reached the offices(?) of Hoops World, but it is good form to source someone else’s work when you quote it (instead of just citing "others"), as well as to provide a link to that work, as I did to Mr. Kyler’s initial report when I referenced it this morning and as I am to his newer piece here. Perhaps the HTML work is too difficult.

I find Mr. Kyler’s refusal to directly acknowledge my work while repeatedly referencing it to be oddly juvenile.

Let me be clear: I am not a fan blogger. I’m a credentialed media person who covers the Grizzlies, with full access to games, practices, and other team events and with multiple sources with the team. It is true that covering the team is only a portion of my job and is not something to which I can devote as much time as I’d like, but it is something I do professionally. It would be nice if Mr. Kyler had accorded my work the same respect I accorded his.

Mr. Kyler complains about my attributing words such as “ridiculous” and “absurd” to Chris Wallace “out of context.” Okay, then let me offer some context.

When I spoke to Wallace this morning, I asked if he’d read the Hoops World piece. His immediate response was, “Yes and it’s ridiculous. You can quote me on that.”

Wallace used the words “absurd” and “preposterous” later in the conversation in direct reference to the claim that the Grizzlies would trade for Vasquez and would do so in a scheme to get team payroll down to the league minimum. Is that clear enough?

I will say that I never got the sense that Wallace was trying to denigrate the writer of the story, only responding strongly to the content.

Mr. Kyler’s references to my earlier post are quite snide, so I’m returning the favor here. However, my earlier post was not meant to be an attack on Mr. Kyler’s work. His story was something that Grizzlies fans were talking about. It seemed worthy of seeking a response from a team-decision maker, which is what I did.

Chris Wallace may have refuted the veracity of Mr. Kyler’s claims, but I did not. I did raise a few questions about relevant details either ignored or not fully explained in Mr. Kyler’s report. Perhaps Mr. Kyler should take his own advice and refrain from shooting the messenger.

To wit:

In his initial post, Mr. Kyler makes the following claim:

Quote:
The Grizzlies have been exploring ways to get even further below the minimum salary number; such as trading Javaris Crittenton to Orlando for Fran Vasquez's rights and a future draft pick. Vasquez counts against the cap and the NBA minimum, but no dollars have to be paid out.

In his update, he says this:

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As clarified this morning to me, by an informed NBA source, NBA teams are required to "spend" $44.1 million this year as a minimum, if that is not spent there is a penalty assessed to the team. The Grizzlies cannot consume space, through obtaining rights, unless those rights have contracts assigned to them. Rights do consume cap space, but do not count against the NBA minimum, any more than rights count towards Luxury Tax.

Essentially, Mr. Kyler is refuting his own earlier report, but declines to admit that. If obtaining the rights the Vasquez but not signing him to a contract would not help the Grizzlies get “even further below the minimum salary number,” then doesn’t this undercut the entire point of the initial post?

Mr. Kyler also still neglects to address that the Grizzlies currently have 12 players on the roster, with a minimum of 13 required by the league. Trading a player currently under contract and not getting such a player in return would require the Grizzlies to sign two additional players to get up to 13, which would significantly cut into any “savings” from trading Crittenton or Lowry, especially since both of those players have relatively small contracts.

After providing no sourcing for his Vasquez rumor this morning, Mr. Kyler updates with this:

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An informed source said this morning that Memphis' stance was a Javaris Crittenton trade was "squarely in Orlando's court"; another source indicated Vasquez was the latest package being discussed, apparently not with Chris Wallace.

Well, I guess that’s a little better, but still awfully vague. “Another source”? How do we know this isn’t just another media person talking? Is it a source within the Magic’s basketball operations organization? Is it an agent? A player? Good lord, man, give us something better than “another source.”

Finally, next time you quote me, don’t refer to me as “others.” I’m only one person. My name is Chris Herrington. My employer is The Memphis Flyer. This blog is called Beyond the Arc. I’m not “another source.” I’m on the record.

Submitted by Chris Herrington on Thu, 07/31/2008 - 11:26pm.
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I am sure that Chris is going to talk about this sometime today, but apparently the Griz have made a $58 million offer to restricted free-agent Josh Smith. Atlanta will have 7 days to match the offer, but they are in a tough spot financially.

If the Griz manage to get Smith, they could be a truly dangerous team next season. And in my opinion, a real contender over the next few years.

If nothing else comes from this, I guess it ends the idiotic "rumors" that the Grizzlies are trying to trim the payroll down to the league minimum. :)

Adam (not verified) | Fri, 08/08/2008 - 3:12pm

That certainly could be true, but "playing poorly on purpose" sounds like spin to me.

Chris Herrington | Fri, 08/08/2008 - 2:03pm

Here's a video of Fran Vasquez from a couple of years ago. You can see why the Magic drafted him. He's an athletic power forward. I realize You-Tube makes everybody look good but if I was a Magic fan I couldn't help but think he would have been perfect playing next to Dwight. The word I heard was that he was playing poorly on purpose because he wanted the team to lower his buyout so he could finally enter the NBA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inuu74daX1c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZcWHhQ-Qa8

Jim (not verified) | Fri, 08/08/2008 - 1:18am

My understanding is that Vasquez is no longer considered much of an NBA prospect and there's not much interest in him around the league. Notice he's not on the Spanish national team, for whatever that's worth.

I don't think I've ever really seen him play, so I dunno myself, but this is what I've heard from NBA people.

Chris Herrington | Thu, 08/07/2008 - 2:09am

Is there any shot of him coming over next year? If so, would that be a bad trade. I understand that others would have to included to match up salaries, but he was a top ten talent.

Evil (not verified) | Mon, 08/04/2008 - 8:04pm

It would have been a lot easier if the Grizz had traded Crittenton to Orlando on draft night for the rights to Courtney Lee. Of course, then the OJ trade might not have happened, so everything works out in the end. I wouldn't mind Crittenton for Keith Bogans. Maybe we can re-visit Lowry to Denver for Kleiza, or Lowry and Warrick to the Cavs for Varejao (probably have to throw in Buckner to make it work, salary-wise). Somehow, we need another power forward, small forward and shooting guard unless we plan to give Jaric, Buckner and Walker all playing time. Yoiks!

Herschel (not verified) | Sat, 08/02/2008 - 9:51pm

It's called having professionalism,
Mr. Kyler. I would think someone who is billed as the editor and publisher of both Hoopsworld and Hoopsworld Magazine would show some.

Pantherbert (not verified) | Sat, 08/02/2008 - 6:10am

Damn

Anonymous (not verified) | Fri, 08/01/2008 - 8:13pm

Kyler = pwned.

Anonymous (not verified) | Fri, 08/01/2008 - 2:43pm

Well Steve isn't that what you wanted? No? You clearly asked for it by putting out such crystal ball gazin' in the guise of sports journalism.

Cheers!

the server (not verified) | Fri, 08/01/2008 - 2:03pm

I can't help but get a chuckle out of seeing the most passionate writing coming from Beyond the Arc to be about such a non-story.

I did find the Hoops World article to be absurd as well, and I think that Internet writing is too often just someone shooting from the hip without any "real" information. It's nice to see Herrington try to hold someone accountable.

Then again, this is the Internet, so accountability doesn't happen that often.

Chris Avis (not verified) | Fri, 08/01/2008 - 12:54pm

It's nice to hear someone set the record straight. Steve - you could learn a lot about writing/reporting from Chris. I'd highly recommend reading archives of Beyond the Arc.

GrizzledGrizzFan (not verified) | Fri, 08/01/2008 - 3:20am

you two GIRLS go to your room!

Bill (not verified) | Fri, 08/01/2008 - 3:19am

I read the Hoopsworld story today on the Grizzlies. It was malicious writing. It is clear from reading it that Skyler is
inventing a story to lambast the Grizzlies
out of some attempt to raise the level of
unprofessional journalism. The dude is a hater plain and simple.

grizguru (not verified) | Fri, 08/01/2008 - 12:32am

Nice job making me the story... any time you'd like to talk with me, ask me a question or ask me to explain my work... will be more than glad to... skyler@hoopsworld.com...

Steve Kyler (not verified) | Fri, 08/01/2008 - 12:13am

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